Apologetics, Logic

Which came first, the Good or the Bad in World Civilization? Part I

A debate might begin this way:

Satan bragged to Jesus in the Wilderness that he was the master of all the world’s Kingdoms, and he would give them to Jesus if he would only bow down and worship him.

“The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.” (Luke 4: 5-7)

Matthew describes this Wilderness confrontation differently (Mt 4: 8-9) for in his version Satan only says those kingdoms were his, and says nothing about how he came by them.

Did the Devil build these kingdoms from scratch, or take them by conquest, guile and persuasion, or receive them as a gift?

This meeting in the Wilderness occurred roughly in the Year 30 CE.

And it raises all kinds of interesting questions about the relationship between Old Clootie and God, going back to the Garden, and even before. Of course we can never know, but it should invite speculation into the nature of Man in pre-civilization tribal society, in general moral terms, versus the historically better-known pecking order of human societies that kicked off early civilization.

In simple terms, the advent of civilization came at a high price, namely the glorification of king-based societies, and the removing of all the powers we believe to have been vested in individual men and women, also known as “freedoms”, and re-investing those into the hands of an elite few, the ones with the whips, up on their horses, and their armies, and throughout history, living in really nice splendiferous homes, called palaces and castles, with the best of foods, warmth in the winter, attended to by servants who may or may not have had time off or money to go into the village and buy a beer, taste some of mom’s homemade soup…while the other 90% huddled in the cold, and whose job it was, in the planting season, to grow the food to feed those in the High Palaces, and later, cut stone to build tombs for their kings.

And we also know, in relatively short order there was the creation (some say “evolution”) of religions that justified and explained why the world was ordered this way, broadcasting to everyone that “the gods” had granted all these good things to the king(s) in the first place, and that those kings had a divine right to rule, with their blessing.

We still see this sort of thinking today. In fact, it is more pervasive than we know, since it had largely been buried in America since the King of England stopped owning us three centuries ago.

Like the kings, those gods were also housed in special temples built with great blood, sweat and toil, and were almost as magnificent as the tombs and palaces for the kings.

Today people will travel thousands of miles to and pay thousands of dollars to see these marvels (now restored) and to hear lectures of the magnificence of these civilizations, and the great legacy they have bequeathed to Mankind today, even as at least twice as many lie buried beneath the sands and the tangled jungle vines, from Mongolia to Africa to central and South America.

The natural law of Kings

Of course, all these kings tried to start dynasties, passing on their kingships to next of kin, some which may have lasted several generations, but were always overthrown eventually, sometimes from within their country, and sometimes by foreign invaders. Few if any simply died of old age and just withered away.

But this king system never changed, as it is one of the telltale marks of Satan. In fact, probably his trademark achievement. Of the options I mentioned above as to Satan’s boast to Christ, I’m inclined to believe he gained them all by “guile and persuasion”. That’s what he’s good at.

The king system was begun over 5000 years ago, and did not die out in the West until just about a century ago, and still exists in other parts of the world. But it did not, or was not allowed to fall into disrepute or disrepair, (you can decide on your own) until other systems had been created to replace the kings that were based on the same 10% management class versus 90% managed worker bee class formula that defined the system begun in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Every European nation has ranked its ancient kings on a good to bad to worst scale, and in all cases, the good were by far the more rare. A few kings were kind to the poor or weak, but far, far more abused them and almost all were at best as indifferent to them as they were to livestock despite the fairy tales you’ve been told about beautiful princesses and their kindly fathers. That’s why they were called fairy tales… although most harkened back to a pre-historic era where such chiefs did exist, as I’ll describe later, such as you could find in the Arthurian legend in England, where they say their history began.

Even among baptized kings after 800 AD, when the Holy Roman Empire was created by allowing the Catholic Church to become shareholders in King, Inc, few actually lived very pious lives. They still lopped off men’s heads, deflowered maidens, burned villages willy-nilly, and generally kicked their people around. But they were still able to get a final Church blessing on their death bed with the guarantee from a priest that their souls would fly straight to Heaven, even passing Purgatory, unless there was some money to made by the Church on the back end of that promise, as was more often the case by the 16th Century, and one of the listed reasons for the Church to be split up by a priest in Germany. (“The Church as Middleman” also an interesting topic.)

This Q & A discussion turns on the fact that “Evil” (I prefer to personify it and call it by its historical name, Satan, but you don’t have to) seemed to have baked itself into an “executive management design” that expects humans to behave in certain ways if given certain power over other people using an endless competition between what we with a theological perspective call the Seven Deadly Sins; Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride.

The variables in the ways these recognized “sins” (even practitioners recognize their choices as sinful, especially if they know they can be forgiven at last rites). I would hate to have to debate this point with Chesterton on the Other Side, but would be so happy to be there I wouldn’t mind it. The greed that leads one to gain power can just as easily bring about his downfall at a later time. Since every person consists of at least four person, these conflicts can arise within a person’s inner self; his family, his court, his ruling inner circle, as well as  his neighboring kingdoms. So can conflict with one another in an almost infinite variety of ways.

Thus, these sins create a conflict with each other that is multi-dimensional, and almost never ending.

The genius of Satan’s creation here, if he is its actual creator, is that the superimposed king system itself, which clearly is a product of evil engineering, is never placed in jeopardy. It was CS Lewis who first described Satan as a corporate CEO, who has the executive power to shuffle his front office, all the way down to the factory floor, as many times as he sees fit as long as he has a product to sell, and still controls the market. At one time, until 30 AD, Satan was not only the political head of the whole world, but the spiritual head, as well. (Mark Twain)

For the past 2000 years, however, God has been horning in on his market, and the Devil cannot abide this kind of competition. In this regard, he views the United States as one of God’s tools and a major impediment, for just be existing America teaches by example.

Satan’s king system was the political head of the whole world for around 5500 years, but has ready replacements standing in the wings that are as oppressive and dictatorial as the previous fifty-five centuries, with only one train of thought standing in its way.

The Apologist’s End Game

My mission here is to encourage people who think they may find this type of king system beneficial for themselves to think twice about their choices. Often, today they think they would be a part of management in such a system as they have been educated to believe they are better than that other 90%, but also deny in their hearts that those listed vices, above, guide them, while clinging to their opposites, the seven Virtues, Chastity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness and Humility.

Something has to give before they wait too long to find out what they have bought into, for in the modern corporate world Satan has designed, it will be staffed by wide-eyed innocent young people who find themselves locked into the bottom floor of that executive office building, an 8 x 6 cubicle with desk and computer, metal In and Out trays, without even so much as a reserved parking spot, nestled in with twelve floors of other saps just like themselves, all for the luxury of the top floor, and knowing the colleges are pumping out three million annually, many of whom will gladly line up to replace them.

Looking at the world as Satan had designed it for thousand of years, and largely kept it intact, one of his principal devices was to convince his agents on earth that they were doing Good while doing his bidding.

For the kind of Evil we are describing here can no more be dismissed or written off as accidents of Nature, freaks or anomalies, as can the creation and rise of America as the opposite side of Evil. Both were created by an invisible hand, but not the same.

Because we can fix the time of when Good turned toward Bad, and can reasonably list the causes why, around 3500, I choose to use ancient Egypt as my model instead of Europe. This was when ‘merely’ pagan people, who lived in a more cooperative society became cruel and mean, evil in all sorts of ways simply because they had gained power over others, This was 2000 years before the Yahwist (Old Testament God of Abraham) story was first written down.

A pre-Christian Good existed for thousands of years in this world before the early civilizations, only we never hear anything about it because it was before writing, and before metallurgy, so artifacts are very few, and writing non-existent. And modern historians look askance at legend as little more than fairy tales and bedtime stories among pagans.

(Keep reading as it appears modern historians have more provable biases than did the ancient pagan folklorists. )

20 thoughts on “Which came first, the Good or the Bad in World Civilization? Part I

  1. This is really getting good Vassar. As I read through this latest entry something kept nine at my memory so I went back and looked through the early Old Testament to make sure I had this right. I have read the Bible twice now but feel no shame in admitting that I still have to Google search to find precisely where certain things are that I faintly remember 🙂

    The first king according to the Old Testament was Saul and I leave it to readers to start in the book of Samuel to catch up on where you are going with this series. It is worth noting who the first King was, and HOW Google tells us he got there: Saul, Hebrew Shaʾul, (flourished 11th century bc, Israel), first king of Israel (c. 1021–1000 bc). According to the biblical account found mainly in I Samuel, Saul was chosen king both by the judge Samuel and by public acclamation.

    It’s also worth noting, and I paraphrase here, that God was frustrated with his people in these days because they were routinely drifting away from him whenever things got hard or challenging or difficult. They kept believing they needed a body on Earth to lead them rather than the faith in the god they couldn’t lay eyes on so he ultimately let them decide to pick a leader so they can find out for themselves all of the ways leaders in human form can lead them down the wrong path.

    There is no doubt where Satan was when all of this was happening.

    Looking forward to the next Edition!

    1. Yeah, sounds like Saul was the same choice God gave Adam/Eve between Good and Evil.

      I’ll get there eventually.

      Right now trying to find the Good in primitive before God makes himself known to Abraham…the good in the pagans. …like Indian tribes,

      There’s enough twists in the road you can map out your own side roads. In the end they’ll make a comprehensive whole.

    1. My favorite subject. I’d love to live long enough to my Satan’s History because there’s no doubt Satan was the political head AND the spiritual head of the world until Christ cam along. Even now those numbers have changed.

  2. I find that the book of Job offers n interesting cross reference to the Adam and Eve Account in Genesis.
    The Man was without blame.
    His character was under testing by one who had more power than him.

  3. Just food for thought….

    A Rabbi once lecture some young girls
    And I’ll condense
    And paraphrase the essence…

    That Eve (the mother of all living)
    Understood and accepted the ramifications /consequences of her actions Through accepting the challenge of what would happen by eating the”fruit” including the loss of the title ownership /dominion in exchange for self reliance /ownership And to facilitate framework for personal development by forcing / allowing her children ( us) to face the situations / challenges that would make us have to think/ react/ invent/ negotiate- develop.

    Quasi- she was giving us a gift…

    Given hypothetically that could be the case- did she bite off more than we could chew?

    Did Christ create an outside company with an aggressive takeover in mind?

    I mean- “the son of man” said he went down to the basement office and picked up the keys didn’t he?

    But the old tenants?
    Squatters?

    The book of Job looks like a court case to me.

    The Genesis to Revelation one as well..

    Chime in anyone?
    Thx
    R

  4. Pardon me for elbowing in. But.

    There is a passage in the Bible referring to the event around a dispute over taking possession of the body of Moses after his death.

    Jude 1:9 (CSB) Yet Michael the archangel, when he was disputing with the Devil in a debate about Moses’ body, did not dare bring an abusive condemnation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

    For this discussion
    The core issue for my thoughts
    Is that the highest of Angels couldn’t pull rank.
    Or at least was compelled to respect the rank of his contrahent
    Leaving the rebuking up to his boss.

    It seems to me that this person, (Satan, insert other names here____________), has a valid role in this theater.

    Man vs Entropy

    Steel sharpening steel?

    I dunno

    R

    1. I treat Satan as a guy who will always be there. Can’t win, but also can’t be vanquished, in part since he’s always been part of the Plan. For easier to read modern allegory I suggest Tolkien’s Simarallion, and just see how the universe was set up, Satan always trying to upset God’s plan but only doing battle w/his band of angels, who, at one time, he was a member.

      So there is no real right or wrong answer to almost any philosophical question, I doubt there’s a single soul doing time because he didn’t believe in the Trinity (an old fashioned Arian) as 99% of professing Christians never really gave it much thought since it didn’t change their Christian perspective about the rest of life 100% of the time. Still, for a couple of hundred years the Church was hunting them down like dogs and burning them as heretics. For that crime I suspect some burned. So was it Satan who planted that idea in Arius’ head in the first place, (the argument went on for 600 yrs before the Catholic Church had its own police forc) or did he beguile some pope to start lighting matches?

      Have fun with this. Bring your friends.

  5. I promise I’ll be quiet for a while after thi…
    Also one of my favorite subjects.

    Property rights.
    Most of the Ten Commandments are about property rights.

    The dominion of the earth. Property rights.

    If God we’re to just take back the title- which he gave to Adam and Adam gave to Eve To hand to Satan……

    Hence the need for the outside company of Christ. The recompensing tool against death was……..

    Redeeming what
    A thought?
    A belief?

    I say property.

    Kings?
    Rulers over property….

    I have an analogy I’ll spare you with for later
    If you’d entertain the thought….
    Thx

    Pls tell me if I’m wandering too far out

    Peace

  6. Also then
    He’a Squatter

    Hehe

    Didn’t the war in the heavens start over Adam and his place in things? Satan envies him and his kids??

    1. Never heard that theory. In order to have it you have to have a unified theory and it factually has to fit w/I the timeline of events, e.g, Adam/Eve never began having kids until after they were tossed.

      1. Hi
        After some deeper digging , I came across some – for my psychology- compelling scholars-

        Who delved into such things / The gap theory beginning directly after Genesis 1:1 Which in itself poses as a complete statement and story. The next line supposedly being the beginning of a completely different era. The time – and occurrences – between 1:1 and 1:2 remains to be determined.

        And God said ” I did not create the world tohu wabohu…. …And the world had became tohu wabohu…. Desolate and void…

        All is a Philosophical Theological hypothetical…..

        There is scripture that nods in theses directions speaking about the time before our time.

        By Adams kids
        I mean us.

        Thx Prof
        R

        1. It’s an interesting subject in that anyone can speculate. The Torah was itself a compilation of several oral traditions put on paper at least 1000 yrs later. Many of those speculations can be proved incorrect on several counts, from bad math to faulty cause-effect logic. But when the Cherokee say that their use of domesticated grain, maize, was a gift of the gods, versus Science’s only answer, trial and error, Which mathematically is staggering, covering thousands of years, I have to give at least a 50-50 chance to the pagans’ oral legends, including the Biblical story. It sure if more fun that way. And keeps God in the equation. Which is a good thing.

  7. Most definitely !

    To add some dimension- just for fun –

    If one views the alphabet.
    Stick with me here for a moment-

    The Hebrew alphabet as I understand- Has- not unlike Greek- In which of neither am I well schooled let alone fluent-
    But for the sake of expressing what I have been taught -And yes I have a point to make- Pardon me-

    Each Hebrew letter has a
    Pictorial value
    A Name
    As well as a numerical value

    now here´s a chance for some fine soul to clobber me…

    The letter A depicts a steer head signifying strength
    Has the name Aleph
    AAAnd the numerical value of One

    tbc

  8. The letter B
    Has the name Beth
    Depicts a house with windows
    Numerical value of 2

    AB
    Or also known as ABBA
    Word for father
    Strength of house

    The letter H

    Tbc

  9. named Hei
    Numerical value 5

    Breath or spirit or essence
    -of Father- / or God

    Ahab – to love

    Essence of father in house
    A. H. B

    Generally the thread I am looking for in the sewing basket of philo sophie

    The essence

    If I put that h in the middle of something I don’t grasp…..

    Thanx for allowing this indulgence
    R

    1. One of the most interesting hobbies is tracing the origin of words and then see how they have been disseminated. The alphabets of the Middle East, Hebrew, Arabic, Phoenician all came a common source, and most agree were from Egyptian hieroglyphs. How they and other cultural aspects were dispersed, however, “Science” doesn’t like because amateurs get involved, especially in how cultures were spread. Science doesn’t like the notion of lost or buried civilizations. But it was an amateur who proved Troy wasn’t a fable by Homer, and another that proved geologically the Sphinx was carved 3000 before the ancient Egyptians. Amateurs keep screwing up the archaeological science’s firm hold on truth. There’s more mystery than fact out there,, so fun to look for and pose theories. ..if you have 20 years or so. I no longer do.

  10. Brilliant
    Made me smile
    First time today

    I get a kick out of the apostles of the strange.

    The book of Esther
    Interprets as “something hidden”

    Biblical codes etc

    Compelling at least

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